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Elitist Armory

For a while I’ve been a big fan of the addon Elitist Group. STOP! Don’t panic right away my casual friends. Don’t let the word elitist scare you. Put down the garlic and wooden spike. If you don’t know it yet: it is a gear checking addon in the gearscore category.. WAIT! Don’t run yet! It’s not at all like gearscore in functionality. There is no silly mouseover-number that says as much about performance as engine displacement says about the quality and performance of your car (sure, a little, but it’s just one factor).

EG checks gear in a way that is meaningful. It’s aimed at PVE, and checks if you know what your doing gemming and enchanting wise. In a quick glance you can see if somebody is geared in pvp gear, hasn’t skipped gems/enchants and has used the correct ones. A good gemmed/enchanted character with correct gear choices is much more likely to be a decent player, because it shows dedication. The higher gearscore player that didn’t care, might still have better stats without, but the “didn’t care” is leading in this, it tells a lot about someone, like what to expect.

Of course, it’s not perfect. If gems/enchants are considered acceptable by a class by the addon, doesn’t mean that it’s a smart choice. A tank gemming nothing but strength is still not a very smart one, unless he plans on just playing heroics his entire career.

Anyway, I’m not going to write an aweful lot about the addon itself, since has done that a while back, and they were very thorough about it too. Read it if you want to know more.

This was actually a lead-in to what I have been playing around with yesterday: the new Elitist Armory site (WARNING: alpha state), created by EG addon developers Shadowed (also known from: Shadowed Unit Frames, Quick Auctions) and Antiarc (also known from: Sexy Map, Sexy Cooldown). When I first heard about it, I thought it would be like wow-heroes, or In fact, it is actually. All those sites check your gear, and look for correct choices in gear, gems and enchants. Still, it can still be a useful addition.

Shadoweds’ own description:

Since some people have been bugging me for this, here’s what it is! At its core, it’s a more advanced version of the Elitist Group addon.

Primarily it’s intended to give people a better idea of other players gear, but in a more concise fashion. Seeing a list of 300 achievements that are mostly irrelevant, or seeing what a Feral Druids spell power is, isn’t particularly useful.

Some of the planned features are better resources for groups, I’ll be looking very closely at tying Elitist Group into Elitist Armory (and vice-versa). One idea I’ve been toying with is the ability to quickly queue up everyone in your group on Elitist Armory by copying a link from Elitist Group.

Elitist Armory will end up being better than Elitist Group, just due to the fact that I have access to a ton more information than I do in-game.

As always, I’m interested in hearing what people think. If you have a suggestion, or perhaps you hate me for whatever reason send me an email at

I haven’t done a thorough research, or comparison. That’s not something I’m planning to do either, it’s much simpler to just try these things yourself. My first goal was just to show the existence of this site, because it just shows potential. I have done a simple check though.

What’s there to like?

Things equal to the other two sites:

  • Like both other sites, it shows gear, enchants, gems. Shows where good choices and bad choices are made.
  • Like be.imba, it’s a lightweight interface.
  • Like both other sites, it shows progress based on achievements. Even if it’s graphically much less appealing, it’s much clearer for a quick idea.
  • Like wow-heroes it shows health, mp5, spellpower, just a few stats, but the most interesting ones (oddly enough, it doesn’t show intellect, but then again, it’s still alpha). It also shows if a tank is uncrittable.
  • Like wow-heroes it shows professions.

Things different than the other sites, missing:

  • It doesn’t give a rating in the way of one single number “that fits all”. This is intended. It does show average ilvl.
  • It doesn’t suggest content where the gear is good enough for, but since the EG addon does, this is likely still work in progress.
  • It doesn’t suggest enhants/gems when wrong or missing.
  • It doesn’t show as much in terms of stats as wow-heroes does (last point previous list), I very much miss the expertise stat on my tank f.e.
  • It shows the 2nd spec, like wow-heroes, but it doesn’t remember it, so you can’t switch between them online (I personally love this about wow-heroes).

Things different than the other sites, improved:

  • It shows glyphs. These don’t seem to be rated, but I couldn’t find an example with bad glyphs, so not sure about that. It’s nice anyhow.
  • What I liked very much is the fact that you can link directly to a character by URL editing. Like:<Region>(e.g. EU)/<Realm>/<Character name> This is very useful for direct linking, quickly checking, etc. This seems simple, but for me this could be the reason for me to use this most of all three sites.

Again, this site is still alpha, and comparing it in it’s current state isn’t really fair. Still, for its current state is already a strong competitor for both other sites. The sites strong point is it’s ease of use. It gives a fast, clear overview of what you’d like to know about a character, no bloat. I’m looking forward to the first beta version of it.

Check it out!

Guilds looking for members

So, I’ve been guildless on my current two favorite characters for a while now. I actually do this on purpose because I like the freedom, and I hate hierarchies. I’ve still got my old main character and some alts in a once great guild, I should actually leave there, but that’s a long story for some other time (short: it had to do with the hierarchy). Anyway, the downside of not having a guildĀ  is of course having to struggle with pugs, which sometimes turn out great, but often turn out bad. Still, I don’t mind the bad ones if people do their best and are generally pleasant to play with, or the mess is so big that it’s just fun to watch everyone run around yelling in panic.

But running round with no label attached to your character draws attention from aspiring guilds or guilds that are low on people. Especially if you’re a nicely geared restoration shaman or protection paladin, but especially the first one.

Now, I do not mind being in a guild again, but I do have standards if I would join one. Whenever I’m healing, I’m always top on the healing chart, even against better geared players of good guilds. Also, I’m usually also low(est) on overhealing. Now I know that’s not saying everything, but when I’m able to give the raid advice in the meanwhile, I’d say it’s very fair to say that I’m decently skilled. No.. wait.. I’m just going to say what I know is true: I’m a very good healer, period. Therefor, I would not like to be in a guild with a bunch bad players, being the one that’s constantly compensating. So I’ll only join a guild if I have a good feeling about them. Yes, I’m very picky.

How do you figure out if a guild is any good? I’ve got some ideas:

  • Playing with their members
  • Getting input from people that know the guild
  • Checking their progress
  • Doing a trial period
  • Having a job-interview like conversation with their leaders

Now the last two might seem logical. Every decent guild has trial periods, and no self respecting guild just invites random people without a chat. I also see a trial period as merely a formality after the choice has been made. It would be rather time wasting to trial each and every guild for a week before choosing.

That chatting part is what surprises me with most guilds.

I’ve noticed that it is still a big problem for most of the people out there do have a decent intake/sales chat. Now, I realize there are probably tons of kids out there that wouldn’t have a clue if they bumped into it, got up and bumped into it again, but I would still expect someone that wants to have a good guild would be happy to sell his guild to a potential member, and would want to get an idea about what he’s putting under his label. I certainly want to know what I’m getting myself into as member.

Let me just give an example of a conversation I had recently:

Guildleader: Are you interested in joing a raiding guild?

Me: I might be if it’s a decent guild, but I’m not much of a guild type.

Guildleader: So u like to pug?

— Anyone using kid speak like “u” “ur” “lolz” “xD” “wut”, etc, etc already lost most of his chance with me, but I’ll still continue while trying not to have it influence me too much. His first sentence was still ok, so he does know how it should be.

Me: Not really, but lots of guilds aren’t much better than pugs.

Guildleader: Well, we’re aiming high.

Guildleader: We’re aiming for 17th on the server.

Me: Ok, but that doesn’t say much. Everyone is aiming high.

The 17th did seem very odd to me, but I figured they were well on their way and that was just their next milestone.

Guildleader: Why don’t u just take a chance?

At this point I /who him to see what guild he’s actually representing and find out that he’s guildless himself.

Me: Wait a minute, you don’t even have a guild yet.

Guildleader to be: I’m making one

Guildleader to be: Need dedicated geared players

Me: So basically, you made that stuff about aiming for 17 up too?

Me: Hehe, but why 17 then, why not 20, 15, 5, any round number?

That might sound harsh, but to me that just sounds like some randomly picked number now, even though it does sound low. Nothing wrong with having ambition, but you need to remain realistic also. How can you aim if you haven’t even got the players, even if it’s a number that sounds reasonable. I expected him to have compared himself to other guilds to come up with a number like that, but I want to hear him say and explain that.

Guildleader to be: 15 is to hard, 20 is too easy.

Here I pause for a while, still wondering how he got those numbers, hoping he would explain this, but it remained silent for a while, so either he was expecting me to respond again, or he was finally writing some big explanation that would made sense of it all.

Guildleader to be: Well, I’m not going to waste my time with some1 who’s just being a jerk

Guess not.

Ok, story didn’t end here, but it was obvious for me this guy couldn’t handle any critical questions. That’s the most important thing for a guild leader in my book. I don’t really mind that much that he had some randomly picked goals, but he should be able to answer questions about them if he’s willing to lead some guild.

The thing is, this was actually the most decent request I got in a while.

Nearly all of them basically come down to this:

Recruiter: Wanna join my guild?

Me: I don’t know yet, tell me more

Recruiter: Want to try out?

No!! I don’t want to try out some random guild I know nothing about, with the chance of being dumped in a pool of noisy morons, which, let’s be honest, is a rather large chance. People are way to pushy, at least try to convince someone.

I get the feeling most decent guilds don’t recruit this way anymore. Or perhaps my definition of decent has been raised too much. I know top guilds get so many applications it’s hard enough to wade through those, so they don’t need to scout. Not that I’m actively looking for a guild myself, because I actually like the freedom, but I could absolutely be convinced to join one if they’re ok. I would even join a laid back guild that didn’t have high ambitions, as long as they were enjoyable to hang around with. But before I do, I just want to know what I’m getting into. I also want to know that the ones asking me did so because they know something about me, or know what I’m capable of. I don’t like to think I’m just a random filling a gap. Otherwise that guild is no better than a pug with people wearing the same label, which makes it worse, because you’re still stuck with them after the raid.

The point is, if you’re a guildleader, or recruiter, don’t settle for just anyone. It’s not just that just inviting a random automatically means that you’ll get nothing but bad players, but it’s also a sign towards those players that you’ve got low standards. HavingĀ  a chat, asking questions, checking their gear out, etc, gives the impression that they deserved the membership if the get it and therefor they’ll have more respect for the guild. They were good enough to be invited, that means something. If people have the feeling they earned a spot, they’re much more likely to become dedicated players too.